Honeybee dieoff: Round Species in a square Box

topic posted Wed, May 9, 2007 - 9:56 AM by  Vidus Impius
As anyone knows from watching Winnie the Pooh, Beehives are round. One theory that is going around is that the Langstroth Box commonly used by beekeepers in their Apiaries is essentially counter to this roundness. The box is square. A guy named Rudolf Steiner predicted the demise of bees in boxes long ago, in 1923, and now there is a new generation of beekeepers who are rethinking the whole process. This is just one of the problems with modern industrial beekeping and the agribusiness mega-farm, and there are many serious problems. I've reposted below a wonderful article to read, in its entirety, that lays out many of these problems, and also solutions More below the buzz-line.
www.dailykos.com/story/200...2413/97567

from my own personal experience I have never used sugar for my bees or any type of chemical protection,I have let nature take its course so far this year my hive is doing incredible ,(from all the rain we have had),but I do agrre with some of the article about moving bees around so much and the destructiveness of mega-agriculture.
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Vidus Impius
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  • I love this idea! Thank you for sharing!

    Life is round: the circle of life, the shape of our Earth, the paths of our planets, the spheres of our stars, the cells of our body, the center of a flower, the layout of the petals. And yes, the cells of a hive and the hives themselves~

    I believe there is great wisdom in this :)
    • Actually the earth is not round. Cells are not round, they come in all shapes and distort as they press against each other.

      Cells in a hive are hexagonal.

      There are mathematically determined efficiencies of all these shapes in certain situations which are dictated by the laws of physic and millions of years of evolution to arrive at what is most efficient for a given application.

      Trying to put a metaphysical framework around the problem is a big part of why people laugh off many explanations which would otherwise have merit, and this is precisely the problem with Steiner as well.
      • Hi James...

        Mind if I do your astrological chart?

        Ahahahahaha...I crack me up~

        All input is valuable input...the truth is always somewhere in between...
        • Cute answer, sure. :-)

          Input and ideas are only valuable if someone listens and they are acted on, that requires accepting the basic rules of effective communication.

          Considering what the loss of bees could mean to us all, and what the resulting possible famine could do to civilization as we know it, then it is important that the message be acceptable to the widest possible range of people and as rock solid as possible so the detractors cannot shoot it down and waste precious time debating it.
          • I fully honor and revere the role of bees on this planet and am by no means making light of the current climate.

            The truth is that there are numerous challenges to bees (and other pollinators) right now: pesticides, parasites, increased electromagnetic activity, loss of natural habitat, and yes, possibly being forced to function within a square paradigm that is unnatural.

            Healing every piece of this puzzle will bring our precious bees and our environment back into balance. But perhaps even just bringing two or three pieces of the puzzle back into balance will have a vast impact on our fragile ecosystem and ensure a thriving and balanced planet.

            So, while I acknowledge that there are more concrete threats to bees than boxes, I also acknowledge that bringing a few more circles into the mix certainly will not hurt, and might even help!

            Thank you for voicing your thoughts and wisdom.

            :)
            • Now that makes sense to me too.

              Anything that will help. I have three acres that are normally swarming with bees because I have myrtle, dandelion, blackberry and numerous other native and naturalized flowering plants all managed organicly for over a decade, and possibly longer before I bought it and there are absolutely no honey bees outside lately.

              Last year at this time there was so much buzz it sounded like I was near a highway, this year it is more like Silent Spring, the book that lead to the discovery of the harm that DDT does.

              I hope this provides at least as much of a wake up call to the petrochemical dominated agricultural industry and the average american consumer.
              • Not to argue, belabor, or offer anything new, but just to clarify my thoughts:

                The real problem is that the "experts" are looking for a singular answer to a complex problem. They are trying to pinpoint the cause to one variable. Each variable must be addressed with true consideration and an outlook for change and improvement. And I truly believe that as each piece is addressed, the greater whole will be healed.
                • A couple of days ago I removed a bee colony with four free hanging combs from the corner overhang of a Victorian house. European honeybees don't usually build open free hanging combs (unlike Asian honeybees), but these and all other free hanging combs that I've seen are long and oval rather than round. Bees build combs for practical reason like strength and efficient use of space.....that's why cells are hexagons. If cells were circles....space would be lost between the circles. If cells were square ....strength would be compromised and the weight of the honey would cause the combs to collapse. Bees build oval free hanging combs in nature because the oval shape best distributes weight and harmonizes with gravity.

                  The idea that beekeeping boxes contribute to the demise of bees sounds ridiculous to me ....because bees are opportunists who build their colonies in cavities of all kinds of shapes. They build their combs to conform to the shape of the cavity in which they inhabit.....whether it be the hollow of an oak tree, the void in wall, or an overturned half wine barrel.

                  The varoa mite wreaked havoc on honey bees when it arrived in California about 20 years ago. I had started a small bee removal business a few years earlier. During the bee season my phone previously had rung every day, but after the varoa mite arrived....my business dried up to one or two calls each month and then none. People at the time were less educated and sympathetic about bees and didn't know or care about bees unless they had backyard fruit trees that weren't being visited by honeybees.. Nowadays, more people call me for bee removal because they want to save rather than exterminate the bees. Unfortunately, some people think that they are doing nature a huge favor and that someone like myself should work for free. The reality is that nature in our part of the world can get along without honey bees, but we can't.

                  The European honeybee.....is from Europe. It's an alien to North America just like star thistle and eucalyptus....two of its most despised nectar sources and best honeys. Honeybees are vital for crop production, but North America has its own pollinators....bumblebees and solitary bees, both of which increased in numbers in the late 1980's to fill the void left by the honey bees.

                  Honey bees provide hobbyists with a connection with nature that brings us more intimately involved with the seasons, weather, and flower bloom. We need honey bees for our own well being as well as to pollinate our crops. Articles point out that nature and our crops need bees, but infrequently mentions that our intimate relationship with bees, honey, and apitherapy goes back to the time of the Egyptians...when they moved bees on barges down the Nile.

                  We certainly rely on honey bees for pollination and have abused this relationship. Trucking bees from crop to crop and feeding sugar syrup is like being a traveling salesperson who is constantly on the move, living in crowded hotels in big cities, and dining on a supplements of Hostess ding dongs. Add crop spraying, miticides, and antibiotics.....and you've got a stressful and unhealthy lifestyle that opens the door to all sorts of maladies.

                  I haven't seen any significant losses in my bees or the volume of my bee removal business.....so until things change in my own backyard I attribute heavy commercial losses to some unknown that has found an opening in a huge population of weakened and susceptible hosts.

                  The beekeeping box isn't the problem....the problem is our primarily profit focused, short term in the box way of thinking and approach to life.
                  • This is the maximum depth. Additional responses will not be threaded.
                    Very well said! *applause*

                    I do agree with the other poster in that this problem is due to multiple issues...however, I think the least of which is attributed to the shape of the box. I'm more concerned with the GMO crops, the pesticides, and the massive honey market. Just another reason to buy from the local folks who love their bees! :D

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